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    Hey Darkbloom - I thought you might enjoy this lexicography throwdown I stumbled across

    Post by reuben on Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:31 pm

    http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001652.html

    Part 1. The main story. I begin with a posting I made to the American Dialect Society mailing list on November 2, somewhat revised here.

    While I was putting Robert Hartwell Fiske's The Dictionary of Disagreeable English: A Curmudgeon's Compendium of Excruciatingly Correct Grammar (2005 -- yes, 2005, this book is really on the cutting edge of the time line) onto the shelf, it fell open to a page with an entry for TREPIDACIOUS, which caught my eye because i am an occasional (and proud) user of the word TREPIDATIOUS 'tremblingly reluctant' and took TREPIDACIOUS to be a misspelling of this word, which should have a T because TREPIDATION does. (A quick web Google search showed ca. 2,150 hits for TREPIDATIOUS, to 658 for TREPIDACIOUS, and Google asked about the latter if I meant the former. The site wordsmith.org notes the latter spelling and suggests that the word should be spelled with a T "if at all" -- on which, see below.) In any case, from here on I'm referring to the item in question as trepidatious; spelling isn't the issue.

    Fiske's entry declares sternly that trepidatious is "solecistic for fearful (and similar words)"; he offers uneasy and anxious as well as fearful. A bit of thesaurisizing for the noun trepidation provided the following alternatives to trepidatious: agitated, alarmed, anxious, apprehensive, dismayed, fearful, frightened, hesitant, reluctant, timid, uneasy. But none of these expresses the shade of meaning I want when I use trepidatious; I want the sense of trembling reluctance that trepidation conveys. Trepidatious is simply a more vivid adjective than all the alternatives (though apprehensive comes closest to the effect I want), certainly a better choice than the three blander options that Fiske provides. On the general principle that you should use the best word for your purposes, I choose trepidatious.

    Ah, but Fiske doesn't allow me this choice. He asserts, with utter self-assurance and no qualification:

    Trepidacious is not a word.
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    Post by vIv on Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:02 pm

    Fiske is the worst sort of self-appointed joyless language maven/snoot.  

    Although in the strictest sense, I (and also, apparently, Zwicky) agree with Fiske's autocratic linguistic edict that "trepidacious is not a word."  It's not.  "trepidatious" is.
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    Post by reuben on Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:47 pm

    My spell check doesn't like either one. No
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    Post by vIv on Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:55 pm


    Language Hat's self-characterized "demolition" of David Foster Wallace's Harper's essay really misses the boat, imo. Though his blog is generally an entertaining and often educational read.
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    Post by reuben on Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:04 pm

    Just going to put this here and look at it later.

    http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/steven-pinkers-bad-grammar
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    Post by raj gibson on Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:35 pm

    Has anyone read Pinker's book The Sense of Style? I received it as a gift and just started it recently.
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    Post by vIv on Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:35 pm

    raj gibson wrote:Has anyone read Pinker's book The Sense of Style? I received it as a gift and just started it recently.

    The link Reuben posted directly above is a pretty unfavorable review of that very book. I have not read it yet; the reviewer feels that Pinker's departures from prescriptivism are arbitrary and disingenuous in the sense of both possession and consumption of descriptivist/prescriptivist cake.
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    Post by raj gibson on Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:32 pm

    vIv wrote:
    raj gibson wrote:Has anyone read Pinker's book The Sense of Style? I received it as a gift and just started it recently.

    The link Reuben posted directly above is a pretty unfavorable review of that very book.  I have not read it yet; the reviewer feels that Pinker's departures from prescriptivism are arbitrary and disingenuous in the sense of both possession and consumption of descriptivist/prescriptivist cake.

    Yeah, I read the article, to clarify I was wondering if anyone has read the book and can say if they agree with the reviewer's position or if the book is worthwhile.
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    Post by undo on Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:38 am

    If you're waiting to get an important letter in the mail and you were told that "letters will be sent out by April," when would you expect it to arrive?
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    Post by zappo on Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:43 am

    I'm no Avec, but I'd say no later than mid-April. I'm assuming that this letter would've been sent out by today, the last day of March; if it'll be sent out by the end of April, then I'd say no later than mid-May.
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    Post by undo on Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:33 am

    Would the difference between "might once have been" and "once might have been" just a stylist choice ir is there a rule to follow?

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    Post by reuben on Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:24 pm

    Help me out here:

    Acknowledgment v. Acknowledgement

    "Judgement" isn't correct. How come the latter spelling above is accepted?
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    Post by undo on Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:16 pm

    Which one of these is correct?

    multi-million dollar salary

    multimillion dollar salary

    multimillion-dollar salary
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    Post by Duff... on Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:00 am

    Number three I believe.
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    Post by Duff... on Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:28 am

    wait did this turn into a rhetorical thread
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    Post by chrondog on Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:00 pm

    Duff... wrote:Number three I believe.

    you are correct, sir. "multimillion" is an accepted dictionary word. you should use the hyphen between "multimillion" and "dollar" because it is a compound world that modifies "salary". how many dollars is the salary? it's multimillion dollars!

    however, many people and guides do not follow consistent rules on compound words, so if you saw "multimillion dollar salary" it would be acceptable to most.

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