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    Post by undo Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:56 pm

    After Dolores O'Riordan died I started thinking about how many female artists/bands/"voices" there were in the 90s and how that all just withered up and died in like 1998 when we had literally nothing but Evanescence for like 5 years, and how even today when the media is celebrating women in music and encouraging it on all levels, it's still nowhere even close to what it was in the 1990s when it was a topic that practically nobody was even talking about. It's easy to romanticize that decade to a really dishonest degree and I'm probably guilty of that but objectively speaking, rock was nowhere near as male-dominated then as it is now.

    I also started thinking about "Linger" and realizing how beautiful of a song it was and started going through that process of trying to reconcile how something like that could have been just totally lost on me for so long, especially when I was that perfect age to receive it and feel it and let it change me but instead just tuned it out like aural wallpaper while waiting for who knows what and how many legitimately awful alt rock songs to come on the radio instead. Most of the writers/Internet people in mourning for her will try to suggest that they absorbed this song and lived its truths on some deep, life-changing level and in a setting like they were laying on their roof with a boombox and gazing at the stars while contemplating her words or something are just full of it (these anecdotes exist, I promise). That said there was no excuse for me not having a moment with that song that was greater than hearing it in a movie, a moment I remember because my brother snuck a Coke into the theater and accidentally kicked it over at a scene when this song was playing, causing the empty can to roll down towards the front row of the theater, the sound resonating inside the aluminum cylinder that caused the sound of our crime to echo throughout the theater for an agonizing ten seconds that felt like an eternity. If this is impossible to imagine, stadium seating really wasn't a thing back then like it is practically everywhere now.

    This isn't about "Linger" but a song I have less to say about but have had some moments with lately that have been...deep, I guess.



    It is difficult to hear this song today and conceive of a world where it was a mainstream hit that barely missed the Top 40, but there it was. I don't remember if I "liked" it or not. I can't imagine that I really did because it was not a song that a stupid kid like me was supposed to understand or relate to, even as I look back now and can't believe this didn't do something to me.

    I want to hold the hand inside you
    I want to take a breath that's true
    I look to you and I see nothing
    I look to you to see the truth
    You live your life, you go in shadows
    You'll come apart and you'll go blind
    Some kind of night into your darkness
    Colors your eyes with what's not there


    The fact that this didn't move me ought to be enough to dispel any romantic notions about myself as a "literary" or even a sensitive kid. Music meant the world to me but this is proof that I never understood it or that its magic could truly breach my truly perverted understanding of the world or myself or shake me from my superstitious, dull-eyed, asexual stupor that I just stumbled around in with no true curiosity or hunger for real knowledge or belief that I was entitled to. I had no connections with the world outside of my circle of friends and the landlocked, redneck school that comprised my inescapable, (thankfully) pre-Internet world. This song was a life preserver and I never grabbed it. Like "Linger," I took it for granted, a gift I refused because I never knew what was really good for me. And maybe none of us do at that age.

    There are some songs and some bands that I could compare this to but I think you know who they are and I bet you can guess how I feel about them compared to this.

    I am thankful to have this song in my life now but it carries with it ghosts from the past that I cannot shake, a sense of lost time and a world that was pure that I can never experience again and was never fully conscious of when it was my complete and total reality.

    I try not to get too nostalgic for the past, or at least when I do I try not to communicate it in something embarrassing like this, but maybe this is a fate no one with a true fondness for music new or old can really escape, so maybe it's not shameless, but it sure as fuck looks stupid when it was coming from our parents pining for the days of Blue Oyster Cult or whatever.

    It's really sad that rock music just died, I mean all things take their course but it really feels like culture just gives us less to choose from now.

    I know this is pretentious and fell far short of my goals but that will happen and it's probably not the end of the world.
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    Post by quip Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:13 pm

    When this song came out, I was pretty deep into druggy punk and electronica. This song fit right in between them. It's still wonderful.
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    Post by Duff... Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:15 pm

    undo wrote:After Dolores O'Riordan died I started thinking about how many female artists/bands/"voices" there were in the 90s and how that all just withered up and died in like 1998 when we had literally nothing but Evanescence for like 5 years, and how even today when the media is celebrating women in music and encouraging it on all levels, it's still nowhere even close to what it was in the 1990s when it was a topic that practically nobody was even talking about. It's easy to romanticize that decade to a really dishonest degree and I'm probably guilty of that but objectively speaking, rock was nowhere near as male-dominated then as it is now.

    I think this brief period of rock music, problematic in a lot of ways thought it was, was a lot more willing to find those female voices. This might be shaped by growing up in the Chicago market but I feel like the harder, decidedly more male-centric rock that was the stock and trade of The Blaze/Rock 103.5 stared dying shortly before the station folded and in response "alternative" felt the need to butch up to accomadate the hard rock refugees.

    undo wrote:
    I don't remember if I "liked" it or not. I can't imagine that I really did because it was not a song that a stupid kid like me was supposed to understand or relate to, even as I look back now and can't believe this didn't do something to me.

    I remember writing it off early but it creeping in on me to point where I had to insist to myself I didn't like it. Quite possible it took me till I watched the motion picture Angus to be OK with liking it. It's now of course a favorite.
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    Post by Duff... Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:16 pm

    fwiw Undo I think you're more self-analytical and thus self-critical than most people. We're all faking it to a degree here.
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    Post by zappo Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:50 pm

    You might enjoy this, Undo.  Preferably after turning it up to at least 12.



    Sounds to me like a '90s Japanese underground Mazzy Star.
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    Post by reuben Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:58 pm

    I This might be off topic but it occurred to me a few weeks ago that Sarah McLachlan is basically a living angel and I had been depressingly ignorant of that fact for far too many years.

    My main memories of Linger were its overuse as the punchline to bad fart jokes but Dreams is a sublime tune. Mazzy Star was big with my high school group but I mainly hung out with debate club nerds, track and field kids and lesbians.
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    Post by Ned Braden Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:09 pm

    OP was my favorite post of the year, maybe even better than the one where Reuben quickly summed up what most of the board has been up to over the past five years. And it gave me an excuse to listen to this wonderful song. Thanks, Undo.
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    Post by zappo Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:01 pm

    Sausage and I watched Starship Troopers, a few months ago, because I happened to remark that "Fade Into You" is in it.
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    Post by Nick Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:04 am

    Nothing to add other than I think undo wrote a terrific post and even referring to it as a post demeans it.

    Also “Fade Into You” is a beautiful song that I love so much.
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    Post by undo Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:16 am

    zappo wrote:Sausage and I watched Starship Troopers, a few months ago, because I happened to remark that "Fade Into You" is in it.

    I saw this movie and definitely don’t remember this and can’t imagine it but it was mentioned in the Wikipedia entry for the song with like 20 other fils and shows.

    If YouTube comments are to be believed, The OC really got a lot of people into this song.
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    Post by Ned Braden Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:50 am

    Its feature in Angus is like Bohemian Rhapsody in Wayne’s World. Whether or not it was ever featured in anything else is irrelevant imho.
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    Post by Ned Braden Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:14 am

    reuben wrote:My main memories of Linger were its overuse as the punchline to bad fart jokes

    I’d bet the farm that the folks at VH1’s “pop up video” hammered this into the ground.
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    Post by undo Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:31 pm



    From 1989 (!) but I don't think I heard it until around the time Mazzy Star got big (or as big as they ever would).

    I probably assumed they were the same band.


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    Post by Duff... Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:34 pm

    undo wrote:

    From 1989 (!)



    Whoa.

    Did it make a come back due to Natural Born Killers or something?
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    Post by quip Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:12 pm

    That Cowboy Junkies song was definitely part of a make-out mix I made around that time that also included Mazzy Star and the Sneaker Pimps.
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    Post by BGwaves Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:54 pm

    I may be corny for bringing it up but I would put Chris Isaaks Wicked Games in this category as well. These songs all have a heartache that is apparent in the lyrics but the music also evokes the same emotions. The slide guitar in Fade into You is the sound of longing for something. It’s like the song Sleepwalking. No lyrics in that one and yet the music says it all, it’s gotta be one of the most emotive guitar riffs ever. I cry every time Fade Into You comes on because that guitar and her voice just bring it out. And that cry is typically filled with mixed and seemingly unrelated thoughts that carry a similar emotion, remembering past girlfriends, missing my Mom, nostalgia for a time that I make more innocent in my head... that’s why we all found eachother dudes... we feel music and tie it into our lives in a way that many people do not.

    I remember whacking to the Wicked Games video when I was a kid and sorta looked at the music as something for my parents. For some reason rehearing it as an adult gave me a fresh perspective and I could pick up on the emotions that were clearly there all along. I was hearing them as a kid but because I hadn’t been through that ‘lovesick’ feeling myself I couldn’t relate as much.

    Fade into you
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    Post by Ned Braden Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:06 pm

    Don’t even get me started on Chris Isaak, dude’s like one of my top five all-time boyfriends.
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    Post by Duff... Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:49 pm

    Still don't get "Crying Game" and I didn't care for "Somebody's Crying" (just now noticing how calculated a title that is). I dunno.
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    Post by reuben Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:38 pm

    Wicked Game. That other tune was by Boy George.
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    Post by Duff... Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:14 am

    I suppose that might be why I had not noticed the calculation previously.

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