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    Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by undo on Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:53 pm

    http://soundopinions.org/show/538

    There were actually articles being written by some of our peers at that time, Jim, that rock is dead. It's no longer going to be a commercial force. What was interesting about the Nirvana thing, a lot of people saw it as a beginning. I really saw it as a culmination of what had been going on in the independent rock scene in the 80s and specifically in Seattle in the Pacific northwest. This whole idea of quote-unquote grunge. A term coined by the founders of Sub Pop Records, Bruce Pavitt, in particular, talking about the idea of the guitars and this distorted sound, this dirty sound that owed a lot to 60s and 70s garage rock, early heavy metal, some of the independent rock music that came up in the 80s. Bringing that sound into a mainstream audience, a mainstream sound. When I talked to Kurt Cobain back in the late 80s when he was just starting out with Nirvana, he basically said, we're just a tribute band. We are owning up to the bands that influenced us and some of them may not be cool. Heck, I liked Kiss when I was growing up. I liked Alice Cooper. I'm paying homage to some of them as well as some of those cool underground bands of the 80s, combining the melody of those 70s mainstream bands with the dirtiness and the grunge, quote-unquote, of those indie bands.

    This is bullshit, like he was writing reviews on his IBM-compatible computer in 1991 and thinking to himself "whatever, I've seen this day coming for years now."

    It's not enough to tell the story of how Nirvana got big and "killed" hair metal and Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer, now you've got to pretend that it actually shouldn't have been surprising at all and that you actually were in on it before anyone else. I'm pretty sure no one even thought in terms of narratives about music and history like that back then.
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by undo on Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:57 pm

    Greg: So it was a big year for blockbuster albums and when we're looking at where music is today and what kind of sounds influenced 2016, I think first and foremost we have to look at the repercussions raised by that little band from Seattle, Nirvana, with the release of the Nevermind record. It's really important to consider what was on the charts at the time. We were talking about the rise of pop rap. We had the likes of Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer dominating the pop charts. We had the hair metal era, which was still in full flower, with bands like Motley Crue and Poison. That was what represented mainstream rock at the time.

    Jim: And Michael Jackson with the "Black or White" single, the Bad album was still huge.

    Bad came out in 1987. "Black or White" was on Dangerous and came out in 1991.
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by Paves on Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:31 pm

    On a somewhat related note, I recently read through this whole thing:

    http://music.newcity.com/2016/03/31/liz-phair-steve-albini-me-the-true-story-of-1993-the-greatest-goddamn-year-in-chicago-rock-history/

    These guys, huh.
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by Paves on Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:38 pm

    It was a long time ago but I guess the joke's on me for listening to so much Sound Opinions and reading through two whole Dero books multiple times.

    But I'm still amused by anybody waxing nostalgic about the days when Urge Overkill and Material Issue ruled the streets. There's something about the existence of this circle of critics and their fixation on this era of rock music, whose lamest moments they collectively have this undying affinity for, while continuing to offer comically stale perspectives on literally everything.  In 2016, no less.
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by reuben on Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:15 pm

    I was listening to Saturation just this morning.

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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by reuben on Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:17 pm

    You weren't there.  I was there!

    aw hellz yeah
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by Paves on Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:41 pm

    The hits were solid!

    I guess my most recent brush with this band's legacy was being reminded that the Jesus Lizard song "Puss" is about the Urge bassist (?) pushing a girl down a flight of stairs.
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by petey on Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:01 pm

    i listened to saturation last week. good album IMO
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by reuben on Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:03 pm

    In Chicago, It's Really A Battle Of Bands!
    Those were heady days, I guess.
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    Post by reuben on Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:13 pm

    Paves wrote:The hits were solid!

    I guess my most recent brush with this band's legacy was being reminded that the Jesus Lizard song "Puss" is about the Urge bassist (?) pushing a girl down a flight of stairs.
    Those guys do seem like a bunch of dbags.
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by Duff... on Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:53 am

    undo wrote:
    Greg: So it was a big year for blockbuster albums and when we're looking at where music is today and what kind of sounds influenced 2016, I think first and foremost we have to look at the repercussions raised by that little band from Seattle, Nirvana, with the release of the Nevermind record. It's really important to consider what was on the charts at the time. We were talking about the rise of pop rap. We had the likes of Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer dominating the pop charts. We had the hair metal era, which was still in full flower, with bands like Motley Crue and Poison. That was what represented mainstream rock at the time.

    Jim: And Michael Jackson with the "Black or White" single, the Bad album was still huge.

    Bad came out in 1987. "Black or White" was on Dangerous and came out in 1991.

    Jim was never big on details, was he.
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by Ned Braden on Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:57 am

    LOL these guys are dorks.
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by Nick on Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:00 am

    I read these posts about Sound Opinions and didn't have much emotional reaction other than for some reason it reminded me how excited I was the night they previewed "Do You Realize?" by The Flaming Lips and how excited I was hearing that song for the first time.

    Haven't listened to that album / band in 4 years but whatever I guess this is growing up.
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    Post by reuben on Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:39 pm

    I'm not about to defend a dude who pushed a lady down some stairs, but everyone involved in this sounds like a terrible person:

    20 years later urge overkill stalker discusses her antics still wants to drive the band crazy

    CA) I read that (Urge drummer) Blackie Onassis actually threw you at the Lounge Ax?

    Miss B) Yeah, we got into fisticuffs. That little maniac pushed me so hard that I went flying backwards.

    CA) So it was a legitimate beef, it wasn’t staged?

    Miss B) Yeah, we got into it at Delilah’s — We got into a big fight and Nate kind of bitch-slapped me backwards, causing my glasses to cut my nose. Delilah’s was good because Blackie DJ’d there every Sunday. They also poured water on us at Delilah’s. I was like ‘oh, Thank God, because it was hot that night.’ I remember the cops came. We were outside. I love Chicago cops, I mean, you cannot get in trouble there. The cops were always more drunk than you, at least they used to be. I remember the cop going (in her best Chicago accent) ‘Let me get this straight, you’re just passing out pamphlets?” I’ll never forget that till the end of my days.

    CA) Rumor has it that Nash Kato actually hit you after you yanked on his coat?

    Miss B) My hand made the motion of pulling on his coat. I said ‘what’s up, pussy motherfucker?’ It started the biggest bar brawl I’ve ever seen. A lot of bike messengers were there, bottles were being brandished, chairs were flying and people were fighting. I was thrown against the wall, it was awesome. I was so proud, I really was.

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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by Soma on Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:59 pm

    Have you ever had to defend a dude who pushed a lady down a flight of stairs in a professional setting.
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by reuben on Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:07 pm

    "Allegedly" pushed her down the stairs. And she weren't no lady!
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by raj gibson on Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:13 pm

    reuben wrote:"Allegedly" pushed her down the stairs.  And she weren't no lady!

    Now I may be only a simple country lawyer... and yes, it's true we only have one "staircase" in all of Thistledown County... but it seems to me that any uh, lady who is cavortin', sashayin', and generally indisposin' herself around such a confounded device has baked her own trouble pie and left it to cool on the windowsill of disaster. I say, as I live and breath, if God wanted us to ascend beyond our mortal heights he would have gifted us with some such natural conveyance to that effect. I'll stay right here at ground level, thank you kindly.
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    Re: Greg Kot on grunge

    Post by reuben on Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:54 pm

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