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    Post by John Boy Walton Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:27 pm

    The Cramps are about as punk as Dick Dale, right? So, if the Cramps are punk, does that mean the Big Bopper is the first punker? Tell me what the Damned and the Cramps and the Ramones and the Pistols and the Stooges and Black Flag and the Dead Kennedy's and Green Day have in common? 5% of the people who go to their shows wear Mohawks?

    Rubbish! The guitars in every band I listed are light years apart in style and substance, the vocalists aren't even similar. You could make a case that a couple of the above maintain sort of surf aesthetic, maybe. But, in general Poison Ivy has zero in common with East Bay Ray besides their love of surf sound. When is the last time you saw Poison Ivy ripping out jazz chord progressions?

    If the Dead Kennedy's are punk, can we throw in Dire Straits Sultans of Swing? Does that mean that the early Cure were a punk band on Killing an Arab?
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    Post by Ned Braden Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:13 pm

    I like the part in TMNT the movie (1990) where Casey Jones asked Raph if he was "some sorta punker."

    That was the high watermark for the term imho.
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    Post by Duff... Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:38 pm

    It's kind of amazing people are still using the term "alternative rock:". Of course, the same can be said of "rock".
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    Post by BGwaves Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:56 pm

    All the bands you mentioned share a love of stripped down and sped up guitar music. Other then that all genre terms are typically used for categorization and marketing. Hip-hop and psychedelic come to mind aside from Alt Rock which Duff mentioned. I think every cultural movement has its day and the terminology surrounding the thing usually comes way later. For instance, Suicides first shows were in the early 70s and they were already calling their music ‘punk music.’ Probably in connection to the terms original meaning of fuck toy in jail.

    Also, curious what brought this on? What made you compare Dire Straits and Dead Kennedy’s?


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    Post by undo Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:15 pm

    This was tired when Montana was trying to take punk down a few pegs by citing anecdotes of kids in record shops clamoring for Doors albums, and it was tired when the fresh new poptimist criticism of all things punk was urgently clearing the runway for millionaire pop stars to take back all the ears and media coverage that had been stolen away by indie niche music (rightfully so, they would say, citing the racist history of indie rock). Will this thread break the cycle?
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    Post by Michael K. Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:18 pm

    it will not
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    Post by John Boy Walton Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:10 pm

    BGwaves wrote:All the bands you mentioned share a love of stripped down and sped up guitar music. Other then that all genre terms are typically used for categorization and marketing. Hip-hop and psychedelic come to mind aside from Alt Rock which Duff mentioned. I think every cultural movement has its day and the terminology surrounding the thing usually comes way later. For instance, Suicides first shows were in the early 70s and they were already calling their music ‘punk music.’ Probably in connection to the terms original meaning of fuck toy in jail.

    Also, curious what brought this on? What made you compare Dire Straits and Dead Kennedy’s?

    I just am always engulfed in music and it's history. I felt like East Bay Ray, when I listen to some Kennedy's songs, is playing sophisticated Jazz chords (ala Straits): while the Ramones or the Pistols don't go into that territory.

    As an aside, I was checking out Dead Boys last night: I can't believe I never heard those two albums. Huge WTF for me! The man DOES control us!
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    Post by Duff... Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:40 pm

    By chance heard Q101 yesterday as they introduced this project called "History of Alternative". The promo featured Good Charlotte and "Soul to Squeeze", and then the very first song they played was "Holiday in Cambodia" by Dead Kennedys, so who the fuck knows what this is even supposed to be.

    Probably not the right thread but whattayagonnado.
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    Post by Ned Braden Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:25 pm

    I’m absolutely blown away to hear that Q101 is still a thing that exists.

    Anyway, I’m glad that commercial happened and that you heard it.
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    Post by Duff... Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:13 pm

    It's been through a journey!

    Not sure when you left but the same knob who screwed things up at the Tribune got the bright idea to bring talk radio back to FM (despite the existence of, y'know, NPR), and decided Q101 was the place to do that (which yeah, it was a pretty tired station by that point). So he realized his dream, and absolutely fucking nobody listened to it. So it became a shuffle station for a while, and at some point someone was like "I dunno, maybe the 'alt rock' thing again?" And here we are. I think maybe they aren't allowed to call it Q101 even but it has the same call letters so whatever.
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    Post by John Boy Walton Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:29 am

    I have been into 80s Plasmatics videos lately. A band I need to study on guitar. A quick glance and it seems to me they were using some advanced down tunings for that era. As I slog through all the old videos and interviews I am also taken aback by just how gigantic that band was. At that time I was into Punk, but I never really got into the Plasmatics while it was happening: but, they were pretty huge from what I am gathering. Sort of a poor mans Billy Idol from that era.

    Also, saw some Iggy Pop from 1979 last night, a strange year for that guy. It seems like that's was about the time that his dancing evolved into that totally spaztic dance style he used in the 80s.
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    Post by John Boy Walton Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:35 am

    My friend and boss is in a pop punk band called the Run Around and I think they recently were on Q 101 for an interview of some kind... I was also taken aback that station was still kicking.
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    Post by undo Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:39 pm

    Duff... wrote:By chance heard Q101 yesterday as they introduced this project called "History of Alternative". The promo featured Good Charlotte and "Soul to Squeeze", and then the very first song they played was "Holiday in Cambodia" by Dead Kennedys, so who the fuck knows what this is even supposed to be.

    Probably not the right thread but whattayagonnado.

    Do they do this all day long or is it just an afternoon thing?

    Turned it on around 4:00 or 5:00 today and it's the first time I've ever heard them playing My Bloody Valentine.
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    Post by Duff... Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:22 pm

    Jesus.

    No idea, think it was around 1ish when I heard it. Don't have the radio on much these days.
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    Post by Duff... Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:26 pm

    Fine, I'll google it.

    https://www.101wkqx.com/the-history-of-alternative/

    This mission statement, man:

    The History of Alternative, Presented by Coors wrote:
    What is alternative? It’s one of those questions like, “what’s the meaning of life?” No two people will answer in the same way.

    Let’s just say Alternative is music that runs around or against the mainstream.It’s music that’s created as an artistic statement first, and commercial product second. Sure, those artistic statements have found their way to the mainstream countless times through the years… decades… but there’s something different… something special about them.

    What is alternative? You’ll know it when you hear it. Whether it’s something etched into the “alt Rosetta Stone” by Iggy Pop or Kraftwerk, or something more current from the Killers or Twenty One Pilots, you just know… you know?

    What is alternative? It’s subjective. It’s personal. It’s the music, attitude and community we built this radio station for. Welcome to the History of Alternative. Listen to Lauren and Tim Virgin every weekday from 10am-7pm as we play it all!

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    Post by undo Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:03 am

    Wait, what happens after 7:00 pm?
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    Post by Duff... Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:02 pm

    I guess this is the Q101 thread now.

    I'm not sure if there's a station (maybe WCKG back in the 90's) with such consistently terrible in-house advertising as Q101. I'm not sure if I've heard a single station promo this century that hasn't been in the range of "completely baffling how anyone thought this was in anyway funny or interesting" and "super duper irritating". Just terrible stuff.

    So the other day a promo came on with that "Q101 guy" voice saying "And now the announcement you've been waiting for: A three-hour performance of Mannheim Steamroller playing Christmas songs" and I was like, huh, that's actually pretty funny. But then it turned out they were sincerely advertising a Mannheim Steamroller Christmas concert on Q101 for some reason.
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    Post by BGwaves Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:42 pm

    Was NOFX the CSNY of 90s pop punk?
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    Post by Ted Falconi Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:19 pm

    I don't know anything about NOFX, but I imagine Matt Skiba joining Blink 182 is semi-analogous to the CSNY origin story.

    The Doors are pretty punk (dead singer, unorthodox instrumentation, cops busted up concerts), imo.
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    Post by undo Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:34 pm

    I don't know if I've ever heard a single NOFX song (did they get any alt rock radio airplay?) but I bought both Rock Against Bush CDs back in the day so surely I must have heard them at some point.
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    Post by John Boy Walton Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:39 pm

    I like a select few pop punk bands. There is definitely some good stuff in there. I teach it alot and Green Day stands out as being really catchy riffs wise, and Blink 182 also has a lot of fun songs to play.

    I just read the 25 best punk albums of all time and I guess at the end of the day it's somehow an attitude. But, the bands deemed punk rarely have the same attitude. Still hate the label.

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