http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Jury-acquits-escort-shooter-4581027.php
is this for real
Interesting piece of legislation, that 2nd Amendment.A passenger in March at Bradley Hartford International Airport in Connecticut had a loaded .38-caliber pistol containing eight rounds strapped to his lower left leg. At Salt Lake City International Airport, a gun was found inside a passenger's boot strapped to a prosthetic leg.
TSA doesn't believe these gun-toting passengers are terrorists, but the agency can't explain why so many passengers try to board planes with guns, either, Castelveter said. The most common excuse offered by passengers is "I forgot it was there."
"We don't analyze the behavioral traits of people who carry weapons. We're looking for terrorists," he said. "But sometimes you have to scratch your head and say, 'Why?'"
Many passengers found to have guns by screeners are arrested, but not all. It depends on the gun laws where the airport is located. If the state or jurisdiction where the airport is located has tolerant gun laws, TSA screeners will frequently hand the gun back to the passenger and recommend locking it in a car or finding some other safe place for it. The government doesn't track what happens to the people who are arrested.
Is it plausible that some people are so used to carrying guns that they simply forget that they have them, even when they're at an airport about to walk through a scanner? Or do some people try to bring their guns with them when they fly because they think they won't get caught?
Jimmy Taylor, a sociology professor at Ohio University-Zanesville and the author of several books on the nation's gun culture, said some gun owners are so used to carrying concealed weapons that it's no different to them than carrying keys or a wallet.
The most common reason people say they carry guns is for protection, so it also makes sense that most of the guns intercepted by TSA are loaded, Taylor said. Many gun owners keep their weapons loaded so they're ready if needed, he said.
Even so, Taylor said he finds it hard to believe airline passengers forget they're carrying guns.
"My wife and I check on things like eye drops and Chapstick to see if we're allowed to take them on a plane, so it's a little difficult to imagine that you aren't checking the policies about your loaded firearm before you get to the airport," he said.
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2013/AP_IMPACT%3A_More_air_passengers_show_up_with_guns/id-9d0626c157a548c6b86a10402a777e76
You think so? I've always thought gun culture came much more from family and community than anything to do with any particular style of schooling.jasperness wrote:that children are raised on the kind of thinking that would cause them to "forget" they are carrying a loaded firearm at an airport is another reason why homeschooling/charter schooling/curriculum controlled by the states is complete bullshit. it's hard for liberals to admit that the main point of compulsory public education is so we socialize children into not being anti-statist lunatics.
my point was attempting to show how the two are related. the more parental and community control you give over education via homeschooling and charter school initiatives, the more likely you are that these community values about guns will be passed down to children. a child homeschooled in rural Tennessee is likely to have views of guns that are abhorrent to us big city types. a child schooled at an Oxford, Mississippi charter school that gets to pick its own, poorly credentialed wacko teachers is more likely to produce students with views that reflect the local culture. the fact that Texas gets to create its own education curriculum likely means they will teach the Second Amendment in public schools in a way that is amenable to their pro-gun ideology.raj gibson wrote:You think so? I've always thought gun culture came much more from family and community than anything to do with any particular style of schooling.jasperness wrote:that children are raised on the kind of thinking that would cause them to "forget" they are carrying a loaded firearm at an airport is another reason why homeschooling/charter schooling/curriculum controlled by the states is complete bullshit. it's hard for liberals to admit that the main point of compulsory public education is so we socialize children into not being anti-statist lunatics.
But will his or her beliefs really vary that much from a publicly schooled child in rural Tennessee, who would probably be pro-gun ownership too anyway? Have you seen some research on this to indicate that home/charter schooling is a factor beyond other demographics?jasperness wrote:my point was attempting to show how the two are related. the more parental and community control you give over education via homeschooling and charter school initiatives, the more likely you are that these community values about guns will be passed down to children. a child homeschooled in rural Tennessee is likely to have views of guns that are abhorrent to us big city types.
I dunno man, seems like a big enough challenge just to teach the kids to read and write. Socializing the citizenry contra to what all their family, friends, and neighbors believe is a tall order.my belief is that civic values are socialized through compulsory public schooling and the ability for the state to create a pro-democratic citizenry is weakened by institutions that undermine public schooling - like homeschooling, charter schooling, and state-created curriculum.
i would get mad at you for dogging me and asking for research you know doesn't exist but i guess it's a fair question. i don't know any study that has looked at the social and political views of the students upon exiting a particular educational path. i assume most demographic analyses of education focus on the makeup of the families when the children enter school.raj gibson wrote:But will his or her beliefs really vary that much from a publicly schooled child in rural Tennessee, who would probably be pro-gun ownership too anyway? Have you seen some research on this to indicate that home/charter schooling is a factor beyond other demographics?
again, i'm not promoting some sort of bogeyman "indoctrination agenda" to create specific outcomes. a facts-based history and government curriculum that is the same in rural Maine and urban Miami for all American children is all i would ask for. one that at least gives them a chance to leave the cloisters of their local communities and form their own judgments about the history of political thought.raj gibson wrote:I dunno man, seems like a big enough challenge just to teach the kids to read and write. Socializing the citizenry contra to what all their family, friends, and neighbors believe is a tall order.
"Clubs keep lettin guns in the club as if that's not where we as artists work. We got families to go home to, fuck is wrong with y'all," said artist Machine Gun Kelly.
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