The Donald J. Trump Presidency

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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by chrondog on Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:21 am

    techno raj wrote:
    chrondog wrote:From Katrina to torture to the Supreme Court to climate to attempting to privatize education and social security, everything the Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz band of villains did was horribly regressive and destructive. Trump has terrible terrible impulses, but he's not as savvy at forcing through a really backwards policy agenda. Bush/Cheney had the advantage of a post 9/11 patriotic boost as well.

    If you're grading on execution rather than intent, I would leave out the "attempted" examples. I think torture is the only one of those that really sets Bush apart, and its the darkest part of his legacy. All I would say there is that we didn't even know what and how much was going on at this point in the Bush presidency, so its possible Trump's worst behavior isn't even public yet. At this stage, I'm more comfortable rating by intent, by which Trump is much worse than Bush. We can better compare execution after he's gone.

    Also fair, can't really give credit to Bush for failed conservative policymaking. 

    This is a hard one for me because I'm not confident at shaking down Trump's "intent" on anything. To me, all he intends to do is self-aggrandize and enrich. Certainly the intent of his policymaking has been exceedingly cruel thus far, but I can't really say what the "intent" of that shit is except to win a culture war. All the pain caused by Trump is collateral damage. 

    Also, the "intent" of neoconservatism could be thought of as spreading freedom and quality of life to the developing world, so intent is not always the best metric for me.

    Fundamentally, I agree with you that the big risk with Trump is the chaos factor. He can and will do anything. That's why I consistently said that throughout the campaign: he's worse than even Ted Cruz because Ted is the devil you know. Trump increases the statistical chance of WW3 more than any single actor, even if that chance is still very small.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by Duff... on Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:10 am

    chrondog wrote:
    I don't buy that "western democracy" is in peril. That fact that executive power has historically only been checked by "norms" and that our elections are overseen by political bodies and volunteers at the local level who outsource shit to easily hackable technology says more to me that our institutions have always been broken, we're just noticing now.

    Wasn't limiting it to the US.

    Feel like Meuller/FBI/the US intelligence apparatus is changing the subject but the way Trump is overtly eroding trust in what are supposed to be impartial institutions in a nakedly hyperpartisan way is... not good.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by chrondog on Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:37 pm

    Yes, but the notion of an "impartial institution" that has no legal obligation to be so is personally more troubling. That an asshole will walk all over our institutions is expected. That our institutions can do nothing to defend themselves without a massive congressional response is... weak tea.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by techno raj on Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:22 pm

    If a judge was truly "Trumpian", i.e. cared more about the optics of "winning" than any policy orthodox, IMO that would actually be better for something like Roe v. Wade. There's a chance a Trumpian Supreme Court justice could do something to help the Left.
    I would describe the Trumpian characteristics as a mob-like focus on transactional loyalty and a disdain for the rule of law. A judge with that kind of thinking worries me much more than a conventional conservative.

    Gorsuch and Kavanaugh may be traditional incrementalists who have some respect for precedent and institutions, but they'll never contribute to anything except steady judicial outcomes that I don't support.
    I mean, you wouldn't really say never, would you? I assume you were OK with Gorsuch's position in Sessions v. Dimaya for example. I think the value of identifying supportable outcomes from opponents or other non-allied parties is generally underrated on the left; even if you don't think you'll need it now, it's useful openness to have for potential future ideological thaws.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by undo on Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:19 pm

    Watched five minutes of this press conference, nothing's changed since 2017.

    Just ask him one question at a time and press him to answer it. Stop asking him three questions in one, giving him two minutes to bullshit about some totally unrelated topic in response, and then letting him move on to the next reporter who will let the same thing happen over and over again. Are they intimidated? They always give him an out that makes sure they don't have to stand up for themselves when he inevitably would push back against them. I didn't get who any of these reporters were but they have one job to do and they're either completely incompetent or just don't care anymore.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by Duff... on Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:26 pm

    I think they're only allowed to ask one question now.

    No other administration would be able to get away with how he treats the press but like you've said nothing's changed.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by chrondog on Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:24 pm

    undo wrote:Watched five minutes of this press conference, nothing's changed since 2017.

    Just ask him one question at a time and press him to answer it. Stop asking him three questions in one, giving him two minutes to bullshit about some totally unrelated topic in response, and then letting him move on to the next reporter who will let the same thing happen over and over again. Are they intimidated? They always give him an out that makes sure they don't have to stand up for themselves when he inevitably would push back against them. I didn't get who any of these reporters were but they have one job to do and they're either completely incompetent or just don't care anymore.

    All they want to do is keep their job and they can't do that if they speak truth to power.

    They all work for news organizations backed by large corporate entities. If they cause a stir, they'll be replaced instantly and blacklisted from the industry.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by undo on Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:14 am

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/4/shutdown-spares-federal-park-rangers-at-site-in-tr/

    Historic NPS site towering over Trump hotel remains open despite shutdown

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Tourists frustrated by the federal shutdown still have one amply staffed National Park Service site they can visit - and it’s at the Trump International Hotel.

    About a half-dozen national park rangers were on duty midday Friday at the historic clock tower at the Washington building housing the Trump hotel. That’s despite the nearly two-week-old shutdown that has crippled agencies and furloughed hundreds of thousands of workers.

    President Donald Trump’s Trump Organization leases the D.C. hotel building from the General Services Administration. The GSA says it believes federal law obligates it to keep the modest attraction open.

    Noah Bookbinder at the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington watchdog group says the GSA should explain why the Trump hotel site is one of few non-essential ones still open and staffed.

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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by jesus jones on Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:39 am

    why aren’t we burning everything down and sharpening the fucking guillotine blades right now
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by chrondog on Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:32 pm

    President Warren and Supreme Commander/Space Force General Ocasio-Cortez are buying the grindstones as we speak
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by Ned Braden on Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:18 pm

    Good op-Ed headline: An attempt to impeach is overdue. It should come from the right.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by WP64 on Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:22 am

    It won't though. The protest culture of the United States is a fucking joke. When I was living in Paris there was literally a protest everyday. They have a small little pamphlet like newspaper that is handed out at the Metro stations that lists all the protests, what they are about, and where they are located, which they mostly do for the sake of commuters.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by Duff... on Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:03 am

    WP64 wrote:The protest culture of the United States is a fucking joke. When I was living in Paris there was literally a protest everyday. They have a small little pamphlet like newspaper that is handed out at the Metro stations that lists all the protests, what they are about, and where they are located, which they mostly do for the sake of commuters.

    Bit of a non sequitir. It won't come from the right because the right is fine with this bullshit.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

    Post by WP64 on Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:50 pm

    The protests happening in France right now aren't being motivated by any sort of explicit or organized right wing party, nor are any of their demands even vaguely reminiscent of Republican policy platforms. I take your point though. I've heard people argue that the passage of universal health care is going to need to come from the right because only the increasing economic precarity of their core constituents can really make Medicare-for-All a legislative reality. I don't buy that for a second. Besides, most of their core constituents already qualify for Medicare.
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    Re: The Donald J. Trump Presidency

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