techno raj wrote:chrondog wrote:From Katrina to torture to the Supreme Court to climate to attempting to privatize education and social security, everything the Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz band of villains did was horribly regressive and destructive. Trump has terrible terrible impulses, but he's not as savvy at forcing through a really backwards policy agenda. Bush/Cheney had the advantage of a post 9/11 patriotic boost as well.
If you're grading on execution rather than intent, I would leave out the "attempted" examples. I think torture is the only one of those that really sets Bush apart, and its the darkest part of his legacy. All I would say there is that we didn't even know what and how much was going on at this point in the Bush presidency, so its possible Trump's worst behavior isn't even public yet. At this stage, I'm more comfortable rating by intent, by which Trump is much worse than Bush. We can better compare execution after he's gone.
Also fair, can't really give credit to Bush for failed conservative policymaking.
This is a hard one for me because I'm not confident at shaking down Trump's "intent" on anything. To me, all he intends to do is self-aggrandize and enrich. Certainly the intent of his policymaking has been exceedingly cruel thus far, but I can't really say what the "intent" of that shit is except to win a culture war. All the pain caused by Trump is collateral damage.
Also, the "intent" of neoconservatism could be thought of as spreading freedom and quality of life to the developing world, so intent is not always the best metric for me.
Fundamentally, I agree with you that the big risk with Trump is the chaos factor. He can and will do anything. That's why I consistently said that throughout the campaign: he's worse than even Ted Cruz because Ted is the devil you know. Trump increases the statistical chance of WW3 more than any single actor, even if that chance is still very small.