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    Post by WP64 Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:41 am

    Ned Braden wrote:So are we all gonna read this redacted thing, or just trust that everything press secretary Barr said in his summaries was sufficient and the truth?
    Are you asking us if we are going to read 300+ pages of redacted material on the Trump campaign and its nefarious dealings because the answer should be obvious? There are journalists who are paid to summarize this stuff for us.

    I think you can and should care about all of this while also realizing that it isn't going to mean anything. Impeachment isn't going to happen as a result and I think Democrats just realize that it is more effective to focus their attention on their own vision for American families than it is to talk about how corrupt Trump is. That doesn't mean he isn't corrupt or that he has masterminded the narrative and gotten us all to not care though... Obviously there are all sorts of political norms that are being trampled on in the process and we are witnessing someone brazenly using the office of the President for personal enrichment, which sets a really dangerous and fucked up precedent. But politically, I am more interested in Democratic candidates pushing forward bold and transformative policies to combat climate change, deal with income inequality, manage exorbitant student debt, and provide universal access to healthcare, than I am in them supporting impeachment proceedings that are destined to die in the Senate regardless...
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    Post by Ned Braden Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:18 am

    I just wanted an excuse to write “press secretary Barr”
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    Post by WP64 Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:01 pm

    I can respect that.
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    Post by undo Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:10 pm

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/439832-trump-approval-drops-to-2019-low-after-mueller-reports-release-poll

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    Post by zappo Wed May 01, 2019 2:35 pm

    This Barr guy strikes me as something of a boob.
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    Post by undo Wed May 01, 2019 6:32 pm

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/opinion/william-barr-testimony.html

    James Comey: How Trump Co-opts Leaders Like Bill Barr
    Accomplished people lacking inner strength can’t resist the compromises necessary to survive this president.
    By James Comey
    Mr. Comey is the former F.B.I. director.
    May 1, 2019


    People have been asking me hard questions. What happened to the leaders in the Trump administration, especially the attorney general, Bill Barr, who I have said was due the benefit of the doubt?

    How could Mr. Barr, a bright and accomplished lawyer, start channeling the president in using words like “no collusion” and F.B.I. “spying”? And downplaying acts of obstruction of justice as products of the president’s being “frustrated and angry,” something he would never say to justify the thousands of crimes prosecuted every day that are the product of frustration and anger?

    How could he write and say things about the report by Robert Mueller, the special counsel, that were apparently so misleading that they prompted written protest from the special counsel himself?

    How could Mr. Barr go before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday and downplay President Trump’s attempt to fire Mr. Mueller before he completed his work?

    And how could Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, after the release of Mr. Mueller’s report that detailed Mr. Trump’s determined efforts to obstruct justice, give a speech quoting the president on the importance of the rule of law? Or on resigning, thank a president who relentlessly attacked both him and the Department of Justice he led for “the courtesy and humor you often display in our personal conversations”?
    What happened to these people?

    I don’t know for sure. People are complicated, so the answer is most likely complicated. But I have some idea from four months of working close to Mr. Trump and many more months of watching him shape others.

    Amoral leaders have a way of revealing the character of those around them. Sometimes what they reveal is inspiring. For example, James Mattis, the former secretary of defense, resigned over principle, a concept so alien to Mr. Trump that it took days for the president to realize what had happened, before he could start lying about the man.

    But more often, proximity to an amoral leader reveals something depressing. I think that’s at least part of what we’ve seen with Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein. Accomplished people lacking inner strength can’t resist the compromises necessary to survive Mr. Trump and that adds up to something they will never recover from. It takes character like Mr. Mattis’s to avoid the damage, because Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites.

    It starts with your sitting silent while he lies, both in public and private, making you complicit by your silence. In meetings with him, his assertions about what “everyone thinks” and what is “obviously true” wash over you, unchallenged, as they did at our private dinner on Jan. 27, 2017, because he’s the president and he rarely stops talking. As a result, Mr. Trump pulls all of those present into a silent circle of assent.

    Speaking rapid-fire with no spot for others to jump into the conversation, Mr. Trump makes everyone a co-conspirator to his preferred set of facts, or delusions. I have felt it — this president building with his words a web of alternative reality and busily wrapping it around all of us in the room.

    I must have agreed that he had the largest inauguration crowd in history because I didn’t challenge that. Everyone must agree that he has been treated very unfairly. The web building never stops.

    From the private circle of assent, it moves to public displays of personal fealty at places like cabinet meetings. While the entire world is watching, you do what everyone else around the table does — you talk about how amazing the leader is and what an honor it is to be associated with him.

    Sure, you notice that Mr. Mattis never actually praises the president, always speaking instead of the honor of representing the men and women of our military. But he’s a special case, right? Former Marine general and all. No way the rest of us could get away with that. So you praise, while the world watches, and the web gets tighter.

    Next comes Mr. Trump attacking institutions and values you hold dear — things you have always said must be protected and which you criticized past leaders for not supporting strongly enough. Yet you are silent. Because, after all, what are you supposed to say? He’s the president of the United States.

    You feel this happening. It bothers you, at least to some extent. But his outrageous conduct convinces you that you simply must stay, to preserve and protect the people and institutions and values you hold dear. Along with Republican members of Congress, you tell yourself you are too important for this nation to lose, especially now.

    You can’t say this out loud — maybe not even to your family — but in a time of emergency, with the nation led by a deeply unethical person, this will be your contribution, your personal sacrifice for America. You are smarter than Donald Trump, and you are playing a long game for your country, so you can pull it off where lesser leaders have failed and gotten fired by tweet.

    Of course, to stay, you must be seen as on his team, so you make further compromises. You use his language, praise his leadership, tout his commitment to values.

    And then you are lost. He has eaten your soul.

    I know we hate this guy but I enjoyed reading this to the tune of

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    Post by chrondog Fri May 03, 2019 4:19 pm

    Big of James Comey to write an entire op-ed about how he lacks moral fiber
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    Post by undo Sat May 04, 2019 5:47 pm

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/04/trump-white-house-anti-abortion-film-gosnell.html
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    Post by Ned Braden Sun May 05, 2019 4:48 am

    This oppressing women, handmaids tale shit might be my least favorite thing about these disgusting people.
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    Post by Ned Braden Sun May 05, 2019 4:51 am

    undo wrote:https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/04/trump-white-house-anti-abortion-film-gosnell.html

    President Obama hosted a screening of The Danish Girl, about an early-20th-century transgender artist, as part of an event honoring LGBTQ activists in 2015, for example. The first movie Trump screened as president was the Pixar sequel Finding Dory. The White House said at the time that he introduced the film but did not stay to watch it.

    I don’t even know exactly why I feel the need to post this quote, but there it is.
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    Post by WP64 Sun May 05, 2019 1:33 pm

    Lol. Did you ever read The New Yorker article with the ghostwriter of The Art of the Deal where he basically apologizes for creating the Trump myth of a smart, savvy businessman. There are some really amazing anecdotes about him in there.
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    Post by undo Sun May 05, 2019 2:26 pm

    I'd like to read it
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    Post by WP64 Sun May 05, 2019 3:27 pm

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

    I remember reading that pretty soon after he became the Republican nominee and thinking, "holy shit, this dumb motherfucker has a non-zero chance of becoming the President of the United States."
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    Post by Nick Tue May 14, 2019 10:02 am

    He’s going to start a war with Iran so we’re like 8 months from the return of “Support Our Troops” bumper stickers and every media outlet falling in line behind bullshit reasons for death and destruction.
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    Post by zappo Tue May 14, 2019 10:18 am

    I wonder if the Dixie Chicks will take a stand, again.
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    Post by WP64 Tue May 14, 2019 1:02 pm

    How serious is the escalation right now in the Persian Gulf? I always just assume that this Administration is only ever motivated by provocative efforts to own the libs while robbing the public. I can't ever interpret these sorts of actions.
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    Post by undo Tue May 14, 2019 1:55 pm

    I've retreated into total inner exile, the last two weeks are nothing but a blur for me. 20 years from now, people will ask "where were you when..." and I'll be like, "I was totally checked out just like everyone else."

    I don't even know what these people want Iran to do.
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    Post by Duff... Tue May 14, 2019 3:09 pm

    This is Bolton's show and I don't even know if Trump realizes how fast we're moving toward armed conflict.
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    Post by WP64 Tue May 14, 2019 4:54 pm

    So basically you all are saying that it is seeming increasingly likely?

    Nick wrote:He’s going to start a war with Iran so we’re like 8 months from the return of “Support Our Troops” bumper stickers and every media outlet falling in line behind bullshit reasons for death and destruction.
    I am cynical as well but do you really think this would be the popular response to the sudden and unilaterial declaration of war against a country that poses literally no threat to the domestic security of the United States? There was significant civil resistance in the buildup to the Iraq War within the United States and that was only years after the most deadly attack on American soil and with a falsified (but not known at the time) pretext created by national security and intelligence apparatuses. What would they run with now? I just feel like, while the average American probably doesn't think positively of Iran, definitely couldn't locate it on a map, would wrongly assume they are Arab, and has a warped conception of the Iranian Revolution, they wouldn't be supportive of bombing campaigns. I want to believe that even a large part of Trump's own base, which often claims to be isolationist, would be opposed to these sorts of actions.

    The leadership of Bolton is very worrying since he has been talking about his desire to bomb Iran, and literally making jokes out of it, for decades now. Dude fucking sucks. Don should muzzle him or whatever he does to his Cabinet and aides.
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    Post by Ned Braden Tue May 14, 2019 5:16 pm

    Just cause it’s pretty on-point imo and references the cluelessness of both trump and bolton:

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/05/12/trump-leadership-vacuum-china-iran-venezuela-north-korea-chaos-column/1169364001/
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    Post by Duff... Tue May 14, 2019 5:43 pm

    WP64 wrote:So basically you all are saying that it is seeming increasingly likely?

    Nick wrote:He’s going to start a war with Iran so we’re like 8 months from the return of “Support Our Troops” bumper stickers and every media outlet falling in line behind bullshit reasons for death and destruction.
    I am cynical as well but do you really think this would be the popular response to the sudden and unilaterial declaration of war against a country that poses literally no threat to the domestic security of the United States? There was significant civil resistance in the buildup to the Iraq War within the United States and that was only years after the most deadly attack on American soil and with a falsified (but not known at the time) pretext created by national security and intelligence apparatuses. What would they run with now? I just feel like, while the average American probably doesn't think positively of Iran, definitely couldn't locate it on a map, would wrongly assume they are Arab, and has a warped conception of the Iranian Revolution, they wouldn't be supportive of bombing campaigns. I want to believe that even a large part of Trump's own base, which often claims to be isolationist, would be opposed to these sorts of actions.

    The leadership of Bolton is very worrying since he has been talking about his desire to bomb Iran, and literally making jokes out of it, for decades now. Dude fucking sucks. Don should muzzle him or whatever he does to his Cabinet and aides.

    It seems like Bolton is putting everything in place to draw some sort of altercation as a pretext for regime change. If american troops die, support for any action would go up, and continuing on to regime change might not become popular but that won't stop them.
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    Post by WP64 Tue May 14, 2019 5:54 pm

    Ned Braden wrote:Just cause it’s pretty on-point imo and references the cluelessness of both trump and bolton:

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/05/12/trump-leadership-vacuum-china-iran-venezuela-north-korea-chaos-column/1169364001/
    making a terror-supporting regime seem like the aggrieved party
    Are they referring to the United States or Iran? Descriptions like these rightfully annoy the shit out of me.
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    Post by WP64 Thu May 16, 2019 7:32 pm

    Instead of negging the post, why not try to refute it? I'm not even trying to be provocative. It is what it is.
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    Post by Ned Braden Thu May 16, 2019 7:59 pm

    I’m reading this while listening to “Life During Wartime.” I’m fucked up, but this is some truth.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/bipartisanship-trump-authoritarian/
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    Post by Duff... Fri May 17, 2019 2:11 am

    WP64 wrote:Instead of negging the post, why not try to refute it? I'm not even trying to be provocative. It is what it is.

    It's an eyerolling post while we're worrying about going to war but "rightfully annoyed" earned the neg.

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