The Founding Fathers

You know what, FUCK these guys.

Total hypocrites that missed a great opportunity to do something really special.

It's about time that we stop idolizing these dudes and have an honest conversation about them.

haven't heard of this band, I'm guessing they're the latest BNM based on this backlash

I think we could all identify with the sentiment expressed by David Cross's character in the opening segment of this clip:

my brain scrambled Mr. Show - Founding Fathers into Mr. Fingers

also read undo as udon a few minutes ago

I'm hungry

A really unexpected thread although I fully support it.

Certainly not perfect but they did pretty good. Definitely a bunch of hypocrites though, yeah.

They were probably better then George Vancouver at least.

Father of American Democracy
a true genius and patriot

what a monster!

To be fair it was much more socially acceptable to copulate with the humans you were detaining against their will two hundred fifty years ago.

Duff... wrote:To be fair it was much more socially acceptable to copulate with the humans you were detaining against their will two hundred fifty years ago.

Undo, you had to be there man

a thread titled "Duff and Jasper Defend Slavery" would probably be a decent read

I'd at least skim it.

Do you guys think that Washington set a shitty precedent with his whole "don't be greedy, don't seek more than a couple of short terms" shit? Cause to my mind it seems like the length of office for these guys is too short. Fuckers always gotta be popular, never want to go for the gold. Maybe I'm just being naive but I feel like BO would go a lot harder if he knew he had 15 years with which to fuck some shit up.

Although for that to work it'd have to be a lot easier to kick clowns out of office, of course.

Between this and the NSA thread I can no longer tell the difference between when Undo is posting in-character or just plain posting

Ned Braden wrote:Maybe I'm just being naive but I feel like BO would go a lot harder if he knew he had 15 years with which to fuck some shit up.

I feel like BO never would have been elected because America would just be a smoking crater after 15 years of GWB.

Ned Braden wrote:Although for that to work it'd have to be a lot easier to kick clowns out of office, of course.

You're basically describing a parliamentary system, Ned. Plenty of time to "go hard" and then the public kicks you out when you they get sick of your bullshit. There are cons too, of course.

I used to tell my high school civics teacher that I thought we should scrap the constitution and start over with a parliamentary system because winner-take-all and bicameralism was nonsense.

He would flip out and scream about how we "weren't like Europe" and "our institutions are what make us great".

The constitution is like the bible: an old book written by old dudes that doesn't really hold up for well-thinking modern life folk, but which continues to maintain relevance because people are too brainwashed and/or lazy to make improvements.

a thread titled "Ned and Reuben Uphold and Defend the Constitution" would probably be a decent read

 

I'm off to a poor start!

Ned Braden wrote:The constitution is like the bible: an old book written by old dudes that doesn't really hold up for well-thinking modern life folk, but which continues to maintain relevance because people are too brainwashed and/or lazy to make improvements.

I'll defend AMERICA any old day of the week though.

Ned Braden wrote:The constitution is like the bible: an old book written by old dudes that doesn't really hold up for well-thinking modern life folk, but which continues to maintain relevance because people are too brainwashed and/or lazy to make improvements.

This is a poor analogy. The Constitution can be amended, and doesn't prevent the government from passing laws that "maintain relevance." It is by its very nature not dogma in the sense that the Bible is. And the scarcity of improvements was an intentional feature to prevent politicians from fucking it up with short-sighted and transitory changes.

Ned Braden wrote:I'm off to a poor start!

I'll defend AMERICA any old day of the week though.

Don't really see the point in defending America and not the Constitution. The presidential oath of office is worded that way for a reason.

I guess that was just a poor attempt to pigeonhole bible thumpers and constitution thumpers into a similar group of dimwits, by blatantly ignoring the differences between the two documents.
Concedes point, withdraws rant.

As far as defending America first and foremost, I'll stand by that one. I like Cheeseburgers, nature and baseball. Don't really give a shit about the second amendment.